See it works so good it looks like it's right out of Poser, hehe! Actually I was working on this model to help me understand lighting better and I am starting to get the hang of it. I would like to have used GI, but as you said, it's a little broken at the moment. I turned the shadows down to about 25% on the 2 lights I did use. She was a test for me of a few things, lighting, a closeup with Grouper (which really did a great job in helping me with the shaders) and also on the Poser side, seeing how well Michaels morphs take on Stephanie. All in all I am very pleased by this lesson work I went through. JDexter Oh, I also used this same picture to see how to print to my new ink printer and how to calibrate it for the best color matching. Wow! I guess I did get a lot out of this little lady.