Moonbiter I totally respect your thoughts and opinions. I wish I could grow up. I think if people are allowed to make a big deal about Poser 5, then I can make a big deal about those people. If you feel that this isn't my forum, this may be true, but if people feel like talking about Poser 5 then they will, and if I feel like talking about them then I will. Look, I know I sounded bitchy I just wanted to let some of that frustration out ever since people began asking is there was going to be a Poser 5. Besides aren't you "getting frustrated" at the already "frustrated" guy? :-b PS: Yup, my name is really Lance Hawk PPSS: That is weird max - i have poser 4 and pro pack so it would only cost me $129 :-b