"Whatever happened to the days when you came to the forum and saw new artist wanting feedback and people like PhilC, c1rcle, or SAMS3D responding with heart warming comments." Lance we are still here and there are many more of us here, like you who feel. I can speak for myself Lance, I can't hide it, I am excited about Poser 5, but, but, but, I am just as excited to see all the newbies and regulars just doing what we do best. I am just as excited to see all the new products come out and old ones being updated. And John I agree, it is time to think about starting Poser 5 forum, but you know it isn't really here yet, but we should get ready for some type of Poser 5 beginners forum and then combine the 2 later, because we combine Poser 2, 3, 4 and Pro. Sharen :-)