heyas; i have no idea. i didn't discover this, it was some guy passing through the poser tech forum. ed, i think his name was..... i believe he said it is possible to leave the original hidden 1/0 in there, and add another hidden 0 at the end of the deltas. his theory is that the deltas do something to the internal poser code that forces the dial to be shown.... anyway, i haven't experimented with it, and i don't know as anybody has tried saving a hidden-morph character back from poser. good idea to try it, though.