Gee, what fun! Can I complain about the whiners complaining about the complainers complaining about other complainers whining about whatever? I wouldn't wanna be left out or somethin'. As far as P5 is concerned, maybe in about a year I'll be able to afford to upgrade from my Pentiumsaurus (PII-400), and THEN I might (if lucky), in another 6 months or so be able to upgrade to Bryce 5, and maybe 6 months after that (if VERY fortunate) I MIGHT be able to upgrade to Poser5, only of course by then Poser 7 will be out and Bryce will probably up to V.8 or V.9, and......... Oh, hell, maybe I'd just better shoot myself and have done with it. ;o) P.S. Bitch, moan, whine, complain, grrrrrrrrrrrrowl. (gotta fit in, ya' know). ;o)