Thank you all for the responses. Patched last night. Also moved my color to 16 bit as suggested and acceleration was moved down a peg. Still crashes. I'm wondering if something (file) might be in the wrong spot. If so would it cause a crash? Don't laugh, but I wish there was a program like file cop (sims has one) so it will check files for errors or whatnot. ~smiles I am close to resigned to totally removing and reinstalling, then carefully reading every tutorial i can find before installing any "extras". Was so excited, when I found the different textures, obj. and misc. files for poser, to help change the appearances, that I may have gotten carried away. Once again I appreciate the input, and now will locate some tutorials to tell me exactly where everything should be. Then hit my hard drive and make sure there is nothing out of place. Thank you again. Safe journey and blessed be.