Hi All, Well, I know that a verbal description of a process is almost completely useless, so I am writing a "tute" on how I got this trick to work, which I will post soon (give me a few days, okay?) on my Web site. I made my first experiment with Amorphium objects, and that went really fast for me. Then I thought, I might like to try with Bryce objects. Well, making a realistic candle in Bryce is something of a challenge (one I didn't quite master!) but it is good enough for the lighting purposes. Used a lot of objects, including a terrain object for dripping wax, lots of negative booleans and so on. So that upped the render time a little, but with my Bryce only image (made entirely in Bryce), a render at the "default" screen only takes 16 seconds (on a MAC G3 clone-- including anti-alaising normal). This is using Bryce 5. It's been so long since I used Bryce 4 that I don;t remember if it has the same lighting control (which is the big issue here). Anyway, I am writing a "tute" on this and how to make the objects (in case it will help some folks, and won't make folks who don't have Amorphium Pro feel bad or left out). I'll post images from both renders and instructions. It will take a day or two to write it all up. Again, this technique is really only good for dark and mysterious type scenes, but you all might find other uses, or at least get your interest sparked! Stay tuned! I'll post a note here when it is ready. (Why is Bryce so much fun to play with? It's really addictive for me, I just love it, in spite of some frustrations. Do you all find it so?)