nosfiratu: "According to most EULAs, software is something like renting a sofa: You pay for the privilege of having a piece of furniture in your house subject to certain conditions, however the sofa remains the propery of the rental company." yes, but rental company wouldn't want me to sign the agreement again when i change my fridge or pictures on the wall. and when i don't want that sofa any more, i get part of my money back. i don't think that cl will pay me back when i don't want to use poser any more. ----- nosfiratu: "Curious Labs values our customers' privacy and takes steps to safeguard that information. For example, we do NOT sell your information." you may not, it may be stolen from you (happens all the time), someone from your stuff may give it away (nothing new) or another company, which is not bound by your words of honour, may buy you and do whatever they want with your database (also nothing new). --- nosfiratu: "Your daily life is rife with security measures designed to keep people from stealing your property (door locks, window bars, alarms, access cards, passwords, firewalls, virus scanners, etc.). Crime is something we must all live with. You complain about being honest people who have to pay for crime by being forced to register Poser 5. It's a valid complaint and I personally agree with you in principle. The mere concept that honest people must alter their behavior and spend resources to guard against crime is abominable." and that's exactly why i don't want to give my data away. you are looking at it only from your point of view. there are thousands of your customers who have the same worries but no meenings or power to do something about it as you do. --- cl is one of those rare companies who are very close to their customers. or so it was. it seems as if cl is heading the same way as metacreations did - forget about friendliness, just grab the money. cl is on it's way to become just another faceless software producer who ignores their customers as long as it's alone on the market. i wouldn't consider it as any kind of proof to show my eula together with the micro$oft's or appl's. those are major players and just couldn't care less about what people think about their product. they monopolised it and customers have plain no choice but to obey. guess why mac version of p5 comes later? right. "call home" didn't work for microsoft, the number of illegal xp installations is roughly the same as with w98 or w2k. why should it work for cl?