heh heh. That's one way, Katt. ;] In that particular case though, we were both members of that particular Cad forum. My roomie and I lit up Virtus's phone lines for a week, all the way up to the VP of the marketing division, once the salesman who sold it to us professed being unable to help. They sent us two no serial, unlimited seat lisence copies just to keep our attorney from calling a second time... Don't know about you, but 2 x $1500 adds up to real money in my household. ;] It's a crying shame too: ConceptCad is probably the simplest, fast 3D architecture program I own - fantastic for doing quick architectural roughs and designs for export elsewhere. It's possibly the most used 3D modeler I own when I have a need for what it does best... Should have been a lot more popular than it was, but it's an Autodesk world out there.

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