Hi Scott I'm not trying to assumptions here, I don't know if anthing else is going at CL, but I also don't see what bearing it may have on the debate. As I remember, there was a statement or post from someone at CL (Steve Cooper?) that ProPack sales dropped noticebly when the warez sites opened up, with the implication that the two were directly connected. This is the assumption that I was referring to. It implies that a large proportion of people who were prepared to purchase legitimate copies of ProPack suddenly decided to go for the warez instead, and also that a proportion of people who use warez were also prepared to purchase legitimate copies rather than wait for a short while for free, illegal, software to become available. This does not ring entirely true to me. The fact is that software sales do show dynamics, after the initial rush it may not be entirely unexpected that sales will show a dramatic fall if early community feedback has not been entirely positive. Simulataneously there will alsways be a delay of a few weeks before the warez copies become available. I would be interseted to see CL's figures on the proportion of ProPack registration. If warez users were buying ProPack at the outset, they may have been less inclined to register, and therefore the proportion to register could be expected to rise after the warez copies became available and these people fell out of the legitiamate ordering process. Bill