:) yep.. there are definately issues with my release.. and yah.. im positive about what i need to do, in order to release it.. (especially when it comes to the pants) ill tell you though.. as soon as yours is released? im gonna make a run to the store.. because dude.. that jersey... especially with the pads underneath (im assuming that yours doesnt include that particular item) all kinds of problems with it.. and im just itching to see how you got it to work. (maybe it will help me see where i am going wrong) - where is that collision detection when i need it? :D as far as the ends of the sleeves go.. i agree.. it was extremely difficult to get it to go the way that it was intended (at least from my end it was - and i can only hope that you had the same problems as well rob) because of the points of bending (and somewhat ugly mesh :p) it made it somewhat horrible.. however.. with a transmap, it would imagine it would be very simple to allow the jersey to look "somewhat" flowing where you see fit VirtuaSite. at least, my "personal beta" bends somewhat correctly, but the underlying pads are quite a desire to behold when the shirt is on :) anyway.. yah.. u get back to work rob :) ill get back to play ;) SN - allow me to throw a kudos in there.. just to say good job man... you do some real quality work man.