Eric, Although I do agree with the majority of your post, I disagree that it is either Industry wins, Warez wins, or the User wins. Industry depends upon the User-base in order to make its profits and survive. Therefore, there is a definite necessity to see the Industry-User relationship survive (aka Win-Win) while attempting to "weed out" the Warez part of the equation. My understanding of the warez crowd and their mentality is that it is the challenge to overcome any obstacles and prove that they can do it, and providing the "service" is merely a side-effect. This topic has been discussed time and time again by the industry. The challenge to industry is to prevent the warez crowd from achieving their goal of proving they can do it. Since the underlying technologies and techniques are available to both sides, Industry and Warez, this becomes an up-hill battle. From what I understand, hardware dongles can supposedly be overcome by intercepting, blocking, and/or responding to the call from the OS (or whatever) to the dongle. I have no experience in this, but it does seem plausible if not probable and has been discussed in other threads following this same vein.