"Melanie, I assume that foot long reg code that MS imposes on you and demands that you MUST enter before it will let you finish installing anything from MS is a symbol of customer trust?" Charlie Tuna, I'm still using Win 98, which came preinstalled on my computer, and I don't plan to upgrade to XP, thus I haven't had to use any of their "foot long" access codes. Another reason I won't be upgrading to P5 is money. I'm adamantly against piracy, so I don't use warez of any kind, and I really can't afford to put out the money for something I don't need. I have a stack of credit card bills and utility bills on my desk that have to come first. Sure, it would be nice to have P5, if it proves to be as good as they claim, but the fact is, I don't need it. It isn't a necessity of life. Poser 4 is quite adequate for what I use it for. Besides, as I've stated before, I'm not impressed with the new characters, "Judy" and "Don," and I would only keep using the Millennium characters from DAZ anyway. >>"If you dont all buy Poser 5 then Curious Labs will not make the money the first week." xvcoffee, that's CL's problem. They're driving away their customers all on their own. We're not doing it to them. This is a free country and I don't feel that I should be forced to buy a product just to keep one small company in business. If their company doesn't make the money, it's their own doing. There are times like this when I wish MetaCreations hadn't abandoned Poser, Bryce, Ray Dream Studio, Kai's Power Tools, etc. They didn't treat their paying customers as if they were all potential pirates. Melanie