...This idea that 'we'll-never-stop-piracy-so-let's-just-let-them-get-away-with-it' is becoming a royal pain! We'll never stop crack dealers either, but do you want them in your neighborhood and the cops doing nothing about it? I think you missed the point. I was not suggesting that nothing should be done about piracy (and said retailers "do what they can."). I am saying that copy protection is an attempt which does not work so time is better spent investigating other avenues. Crack sales or terrorism are poor analogies as the harm caused cannot be compensated for monetarily. But lost sales can be balanced by other means. Forcing software protection upon me is like making me wear a chastity belt just because as a male I have the equipment for rape. Whatever happened to the idea of "innocent until proven guilty? This is not a difficult concept. ...Life's a bitch and then you die. While it is true I will die, life need only be a bitch if I let it be. I have been using Poser since version 1. I like it. Is it indispensible? Of course not. Does the production of art revolve around it? Hah! If necessary I can always return to canvas and paint. I also like the people at Curious Labs. In my experience they have always been both courteous and friendly, even considerate. (in fact, I once beta tested for them though circumstances were such I fear I was a poor tester) In the past I have written defending them when I thought the public reaction against them was unfair. This time I disagree with them but that's all it is- a disagreement and nothing more. ...There are people in this world who've never seen decent food and clothes in their lives, so who am I to bitch? There are probably also people in the world who have considerably more than you. By your logic this would give you the right to bitch and I am exercising that option. This issue is about CL and their customers, nobody else. Non sequiturs are not constuctive. It is a sad but true fact that the world is governed not by right and wrong but by reality and public opinion (not always the same thing.) Piracy is very much a reality just as a dislike of copy protection is a significant part of the public's opinion. Let us hope that Curious Labs proves to be an adept tight rope walker. - Jack