To all, Well at least all this has gotten me to actually read the EULA for Poser 5. I don't find that it's all that bad after reading it. The only part that disturbed me was the CR2 issue, and that only having to do with what is an acceptable encoder for commercial stuff which as I understand it has been or is in the process of being resolved. As far as using my personal - numbers SSN, credit card, etc or coming onto my computer periodically to check stuff is out of the question. (you might check with your congressman on that later issue.) Security is one thing. Invasion of privacy is quite another. Requiring an internet connection is also absurd, but as I understand it this is what Microsoft is about. I am waiting for the day when Microsoft is the least popular operating system because of all of their undue 'security'. Reasonably, you are not going to stop a dedicated cracker (hacker), and the law is or was before Ronald Raygun er Reagan, based upon the consept of what is reasonable and prudent. With this in mind it is prudent to verify usership rights, do what you can without placing an unreasonable burden on users to insure all but the most dedicated cracker is stopped and know when enough is enough. I think that Curious Labs has done this and I forsee no problems with what they have done so far. At some point, as Imckenzie notes, it bcomes a matter of trust. Unfortunately, we live in a world of thieves that subsequently causes companies to impose security measures upon the rest of us. I don't think this will ever change. I just hope it won't get any worse for those of us who try to be open and above board. - TJ