I think what I'm going to do is buy Poser 5, and authorize it and all that stuff, first time I have to re-install it I'm going to look for a good warez version, though. Life is too short for this BS. The primary reason I didn't upgrade my Max 3 to Max 4 was the software authorzation, rather than a hardware dongal. I understand the Win2K latest SP has the spying stuff too, Gee, I'm going to rush right out and get that, too!