I agree with you on that ... they are here, and probably more than for the time being, unfortunately. I bought P5 the minute I read the pre-order was available. It's just that I agree with those posting that the copy-protection scheme is invasive, and IMHO, ultimately futile. It only hurts the honest customer. These days it doesn't even hurt the casual pirate. Oh, well ... this debate has raged on for years, and I'm sure will rage on for many more. We'll see another thread on this after the software release, you can count on it. -Tim