Especially when you said that you didn't even know if you would find the software useful? Why would I expect you to buy it? errrr...i have p4. i found it useful. still do, for conforming and things like that. and, it still will be useful...because i don't have anything else to set up my little models in. but...my own ideas of what I want to achieve are changing. maybe, for a little relaxation, or because i had a picture in my head, i might sit down and pose a picture. if i am serious about the picture, i go ahead and pose it in bryce. i like to think i am "growing" in my 3d art. i started off with bryce....and tried my hardest to make decent lattice...or boolean based models....didn't do too swell. when i got poser it was great to have people and creatures to put in my scenes. but, i have gotten to the point where i want to actually CREATE the people and creatures. dragging vicki's limbs around just doesn't do it anymore. some of the things that p5 is supposed to offer sound like they could be very useful, to me. but, i have not seen enough of these "features" to actually want the program. i don't know why you feel the need to chastise those of us who are not jumping on the buy p5 frenzy. we aren't hurting you. we aren't hurting cl.