Sadly all your post did was throw more gas on an overheated fire. Welcome to the wonderful world of customer relations, Nosfiratu. :-) I agree with all of those who say that the copy protection will barely last out the week after P5 is released. Heck, it may not last 24 hours. Serious crackers take this stuff very personally and they are some of the best code slingers out there. On a personal level challenge/repsonse systems are a PITA, but then so is the AVS system that seems to want to do everything it can to prevent me from ordering P5. We won't even mention the obsene shipping charges to Canada, which I know aren't under your control so it isn't your fault. All that said I will order it, somehow. For those who think that activation takes but a few minutes..give your heads a collective shake. Getting the activation code on a preinstalled XP system on my Sony Viao took well over 6 hours to accomplish, most of it on ignore in M$'s voice response system after the internet activation failed. I won't go into why here because it isn't relevant but it certainly soured me on activation and challenge response systems. Jaqui... with all due respect, you can't really believe that CL will port to Linux? Where is the market? Poser is already a small niche market and porting to Linux would give them how many more sales out of that niche market? Actually as the Mac X OS is based on BSD which is very similar to Linux so a port to Linux should be fairly trivial and the POSIX market is hardly a small niche when you take UNIX into account. Yes, it's inconvenient - tedious only because you have so many apps that require authorization...it's one more bit of aggravation - but it's such an incredibly SMALL bit of aggravation compared to what you're getting in return. Sigh. Okay..with one app it's a small aggrivation with a number of them plus an intrusive OS it becomes a major pain juggling them all. Remember when Bill Gates said using computers should be easy? It's a bit of a joke now. Let's also be honest here...a lot of the resistance to activation codes comes from bitter experience with them with M$ product when their version of it is, essentially, spyware. I TRUST CL not to do that. So I'll accept it. I could live without it in a perfect world. And, until we have some other company come along that can do what Poser can without this kind of copy protection I reaaly don't have any choice. Still..don't tell me I have to approve of it or be happy about it. {VENT OFF} ttfn John