TtfnJohn... I agree with you about the copy protection. And... "the challenge/repsonse systems are a PITA." Yes, they are. And when all added up they amount to alot. My point is... why should CL be singled out? They are like everyone else. Should they discontinue their copy protection system just because someone like you (and me) has alot of apps that require the same (or similar) sort of work to get them up and running? My sister has only a few apps that require it. It doesn't bother her. She had NO problems with XP and the other apps. Yet you've had bad luck. The point here is, not everyone has the same aggravation. Is this not true? Regarding the port to Linux... As I said before, Lightwave users have been requesting a port to Linux for a LONG time. We don't have it. On the LW forum one person said that it shouldn't be too difficult because of the similarities with the Mac system - then a programmer responded saying that that was not quite true. VERY SIMILAR does not make it VERY EASY. A Linux port would require ALOT of new coding and recoding. I am not a programmer so I cannot confirm nor deny this. But since more people have been asking for the LW Linux version than the Poser Linux version and nothing yet, well... And again... how many more sales would they achieve with their efforts? I don't like the copy protection either. My "venting" is because people say they're not gonna buy the software simply BECAUSE it has copy protection. Fine. Don't buy it. I don't like the aggravation either but it IS SMALL compared to what you get. Really... is that NOT obvious? If it wasn't, people like you John (and me), wouldn't buy it.