ok.. attempting to cover all the replies - 1 - im adjusting the pants now.. will be making them shorter to be more realistic.. i wish i would have thought of that before :) my bad.... 2 - a couple other things will be added as well.. kneepads, braces, kleets.. etc... still working on them.. 3 - the jersey idea? easily solved with a transmap.. due to the complexity of the arms on the jersey, a simple morph just isnt feesable.. but a transmap works just perfectly.. 4 - freestuff? sorry.. not this time.. especially with an upcoming release at daz of a similar item? its just not right to give it away for free... sides.. i spent a lot more time on this than i did on the birdcage, and other things.. i hope it doesnt dissapoint too many people.. but shorts? thats a good idea too.. :) 5 - virtualsite - good idea.. ive taken most of what you have said and am putting them into play.. what i will actually be doing (due to the complexity of the items, is just creating separate conforming figures for the poserdude... i even thought of doing a posette version :) ya know.. for the gals that love to play football.. if you are interested in giving this a whirl before i put it on the marketplace, or elsewhere, let me know.. u are more than welcome to fiddle with it.. anyway. thanks to all for all the comments..