Hey, those are really nice. I too did something similar (mike with a sword and a dragon) Guess, it's dinner time.... Those textures (from DAZ) really do work nicely with vue. Also, you can't complain about system performance under it (my machine is about half of the current standard (or worse) and managed two mil dragons in a scene I messed around with yesterday!) I believe I used one of KIRISUTE's poses as well. eric