CyberStretch, For the most part, I agree with you. But... more to the point of my last post - do you NOT remember the tremendous uproar over the ProPack release? CL did not enter into this Poser5 protection this time lightly. They KNEW that they would be in for this sort of reaction - and yet they did it anyway. Many people will BUY the software anyway even though they don't like the protection (I can't imagine ANYONE who WOULD like the protection) because there is no other software out there that does everything that Poser does in ONE package - AND... like you said, "...every man's soul is for sale." And YES, unless we put our foot down things will not change - however... I choose my battles. Some people think that software copy protection is paramount. Others, such as myself, would rather focus on more human issues such as ethnic conflicts and starvation (which before you ask, I am quite active in.) Expend your energy where it will really count to change things to help PEOPLE live. Unfortunately... it is too easy to get caught up in the less-severe issues of our time rather than focus on the immediate human needs now. You and others here may take your stand on copy protection and that is fine. But, like I said before: "...it's obvious that everyone has formed their opinion and it's not likely to be changed." Considering your steadfastness to yours, I seriously doubt whether your opinion would have been swayed. Regardless of the intelligent conversations and opposing viewpoints presented in this forum, I sincerely doubt that ANYONE'S opinion here has changed. Yes, it's very good to talk about these things. But... for the most part, the only thing that's accomplished is informing others of a particular viewpoint and showing CL that their copy protection is not appreciated. We do what we must. Good luck with your fight.