jval, No. Since no one from CL has yet responded to this thread it could not as yet be termed negotiation - Rather an airing of grievences based on interpretations of the EULA that may or may not be correct. We should wait for clarification from CL before jumping to conclusions. Jim Burton is discussing a new model sail boat he is working on in another thread. It looks pretty good! BTW It must be interesting living onboard a sloop. - TJ