Wanted to get the dragon but tried the LE version and it wont render in a seperate window (Fatal error 0028:C0059C8D on a AMD 1.4 512 ram win98se) it renders in its own window........This is without textures or bumps...default setting happens with a car model also...so I guess I will have to forgo cause I dont want to port to bryce just to render a custom size scene.....Boo Hoo...ps..anyone else ever have this problem CL cant solve or dont know what it means