Well, I think this is a site-wide issue with my approach, ron, so while I'll post links when I'm a little more awake, I want the thread addressed primarily here. Poser 5 might be affecting users of many different software packages at Rosity due to the influx of new members, etc. I'm not trying to get into what CP is on the CL end of things, only on the rosity side, and I thought putting it there (in the Poser forum) would be an invitation to anarchy, you know? ;) As for the Merchants' forum, I think it's more broad reaching, and beyond that, the MF currently has enough to deal with without one more thing... ;) Paul