Steve, Thank you for that post!! Even I sometimes forget you aren't superman and can balance so many projects at once. I could see why you would affix such a high price tag to it, it would've detracted from the things that needed to be done for P5. In the same regard, speaking business wise, I also understand the "make an offer, then counter the offer" practice that many businesses do. This practice is not uncommon and happens for just about everything out there. However, in all fairness to DAZ and speaking for myself, if given such a number I would've blanched (as I did when learning the number myself here) and not even bothered trying to counter it myself. For me, and I am sure Diane as well where Dina V and the other new models DSI has coming out, 30k is ALLOT of money!! grins I only wish 3D characters made that much!! But for Diane and I to approach Curious Labs, as a supporter (whereas DAZ has been a MAJOR supporter) of Poser and creator of content for use in Poser, if we were qouted such a high cost we'd have walked away from the table ourselves without even bothering to counter that qoute. Why bother? We might be able to afford 3K... but 30K? Hell, I would say to myself: "Why even bother, they want 30k they'd only laugh in my face if I offered 3k." and walk away from the table feeling dejected (as I am often times known for doing) and think I am no longer needed or wanted and have just wasted your time. In the same regard, being qouted 30k, I would have to say to myself (as a business), if I am going to spend that per unique mesh would it not be better for me to just see about licensing the same application as CL did, that way I can spend that cost (and possibly a bit more) ONCE and apply that to ALL of my unique meshes, maybe even providing the DSI licensed application as a stand alone program to Poser users, so that they could utilize the same technology that P5 uses and port their works into all Poser versions. Granted, I am sure the license of that software/technology may cost more than the said 30k... but long term investment as a content creator, the value would prove greater to me, since such application could be used for all versions of Poser and not restrictive to exclusive P5 content. Perhaps that is the same thing that might've went through DAZ's mind upon hearing that cost? I know it went through mine!! One possible solution would be to make the ability for content creators to make their own characters "Face Room" ready so as to save CL the time they need to get the stuff on their plates taken care of for their customers, while also enabling content creators and supporters of Curious Labs to make their products adaptable for Poser 5 without having to possibly approach and bother you from your goals. Just my thoughts... Jack