Last note on BUM maps; I find that in most cases (like with the gorilla and Mil folk) you can reduce the size considerably and still get nice results. 40Meg BUM map!!!?? whooooa! Too much for my little Win98SE/P3/384meg system, especially since I like to pack my scense with too much eye-candy anyway ;p Also another note for getting nice multiple figure renders is to do two, three, or even four separte renders and then assemble the layers in PhotoShop (or whatever) See my pics in the gallery (all using BUM maps extensivly!): Beastiality (4 separate renders - 1 mil fig + 6 P4s) http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=129271 Royal Jousting Stand (3 renders - FIVE mil figures + 3 P4s!) http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=226065 Yet I got Menagerie done with only one render (5 figures and a slew of props and lights) http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=239434