Jack has said it very well, the 30K figure scared me too, when some kind person pointed it out to me (It gets hard to follow every thread). I'm excedingly grateful that DAZ made it public too, so we're not telling tales behind other people's back. Lets be frank, while the 30K may have been inteneded as a starting point, it is a ton of money - if you sold a computer artist's time at $50 an hour (probably a good figure) it would be 600 hours. I built my own figure, Supermodel Lori, in about 60 hours of work, to give you some comparision. So, my thinking is some of that has to represent a licence fee, the faces can't be that hard to set up in Poser 5, Gee, Vickie only has 12,000 vertices in her face. The thought of licence fees for anything scares me, as Jack said, there just isn't that much slack in the items we sell. I'm willing to take Steve Cooper's word for what he said, and also what he said in a similar thread I started at PoserPros, but still, 30K! I still get a bad feeling about this.