Thanks wdupre! Now I can imagine a bit what will happen. Actually my message was meant as '...cant wait to see', because Im an eye-consumer and it were the pics here in the gallery which made me buy Poser 4. Sounds good since I only have Poser and in the past it was not always obvious what was rendered in Bryce and what in Poser. Are there any pics to judge already? Those which I saw were at Runtime DNA and I could not see much difference.