ablc I'm thinking that I read that poser5 will not be usable by Vue, you will have to take it to poser4 to export it for Vue which means the cloth and the hair will not work. Face it, unless Vue and other programs like C4D buy the right to create the plugin you are stuck with poser 5 to do the renders. I'm hoping that I can at least do the animations to pull into Vue, but I will have to wait and see. People complain about Hash, but at least they are honest about not working with other programs. I will use poser 5 for some things and poser 4 with Vue and C4D for other things. Marque