cat, That thing about hosting sounds good, but bandwidth even at 1.3 megs seems like it would be a problem. But if you're up to it bandwidth wise, I'm game. What was the URL again? bob, that's an exellent idea. I noticed that right now renderosity only handles animated gifs, though. is there a good avi to gif converter that is free or really close to it? at this point in time I don't have a lot of money to spend on it. - TJ