I think too much emphasis has been placed on Mike and Vicky in the first place. They are not integral to the Poser program itself. They are a third party offering and Curious Labs was under no obligation to automatically include them in furthering the power and effectiveness of Poser. I want Curious Labs to continue to think idependently and find new ways to improve Poser. I don't want them held back by trying to keep Daz in the loop. It's not their job. Mike and Vicky are still supported by P5. You can still use them and all their accessories. But once people get going with the new P5 figures and start pushing them to their limits, I predict that Mike and Vicky will not be the sole focus of everyone's attention anymore -- and that's okay by me. And Daz won't stand still either. They'll upgrade their Mike and Vicky figures yet again to take advantage of the new P5 features. It's called "progress" my friends. -jjsemp