I didn't order Poser 5 either, I think I've got the ultimate face room anyhow (and you too, Poppi s)...ZBrush. I'm not impressed by the P5 hair...Hmann's, Kozoburo's are better from what I've seen so far, and they're exportable and renderable in other apps (I use Lightwave a lot) and the P5 hair isn't. So I'm staying where I am for probably quite a while