hiya, movida :*)i've been actually trying to model heads from scratch in rhino. which lead me over to the lightwave forum....on my wishlish, dontcha know...and the link i posted. i'm glad you reminded me of zbrush...i think it will use it to finish up my bounty hunter head for the character creators challenge. well, this week should be interesting in the galleries, at least....should be fun to see how folks put p5 to work.