Allen9 wrote "It's also very apparent that those who can't currently afford to upgrade or continue to use Poser 4 for whatever reason are to be distinctly 'second class citizens' around here from now on." I'm not sure why you think that. sure the P5 frenzy is in full swing but when all that dies down people will realize that though there are many new features this is still P4 with bells and whistles after all everything for P4 will be useful in p5 sure there will be some P5 items that will not translate to P4 and lots of technical questions to solve but there sure are a lot of us that do use bryce and even though I have ordered the upgrade there are many scenes that I will still go the predomanantly P4 rout to haave figures that transfer properly to bryce and view. to me it it's like the OSX mac thing, there was a frenzy of I got mine stuff going on in Mac forums but when many people realized they'd still have to run many programs In os9 that eleteism soon dissapeared.