That's kuhl, recently I've been finding some very good stuff in P4 and I'm thinking that even though I will get P5, when ever the postman or whoever brings it gets here, that I already have one hell of a program and am going to continue to use it. One of the things I like about P4 is that I have a fairly new unit but the less taxing the program the faster the machine works. I'm in no hurry to get into P5.