know what you mean. I was just now feeling halfway competent (sp?) at poser 4. When I first bought it I was overwhelmed!!! After a week or so of trying I just gave up. Of course I'm the hard headed type that won't read a manual. LOLOL Then after a few months I got back in there and for some reason it clicked. I went ahead and got Poser 5 (waiting on its way) I still have tons to learn though just with 4. I have got really addicted to it in a short time. Finally figured out the objaction mover and the morph manager. LOLOL Don't know what I would do without all the great tuts out there for Poser. Just want to take a minute and thank all you guys for all the hard work on the freebies and tuts!!!! Take a bow! You must have the patience of saints. LOLOl