LOL, Phil, Rob, its obvious that those "spot the difference" pictures never played a big part in your childhood developments. Lets hope that renderer tweaking isn't going to be a factor on whether entire scene elements appear or disappear in P5. ockham, most of the stuff that seems to have gone in the firefly render looks like they are bitmap images on squares. A look at the material shading tree may shed some light on whether P5 has done anything unusual in converting them to the new material format. Bill