ehrrmm, sorry geep (and redon) but what's so great there? redon said he used raytracing shadows with the firefly but the nose casts no shadows and the nostrils are still lit as they were in poser3. also, there are some transparency issues with the eyebrows, i guess there are upper eyebrows like vicky's, but they seem to have a visible ridge. this glowingmoth engine keeps disappointing me...