The funny thing about Poser 5 for me is that it's a very familiar interface on top of a totally new program. You start to do something that you think you know how to do and then BAM, you run into a wall where you have to learn a brand new thing. This is not bad. It's good. But it requires some work. That's why there haven't been any renders yet. People are busy learning. Shhhhhhhhhhh. People in here are trying to study. --jjsemp