re: "bashing". Not at all, that was not my intent. If you go back through the forums, you can see that I was (and continue to be) a VERY srong supporter of CL, especially their "copy protection" scheme. However, for me, the issue is a little different. We use Poser primarily as a means to make moving storyboards for animations that we render in Lightwave and 3DSMax. As of right now, we have Poser 4 fully integrated into our workflow/process. I had hoped to get a sample of P5 to play with to see how it can be used to help with our process. If it is useful, then I can purchase additional seats for my staff. However, it appears that there are some significant issues (as I expected there to be) with the v1.0 release. So for me, it is looking less likely that I will need P5 any time soon, or at least until some of these issues are fixed. Added on top of that the charging now, don't receive shipment for an indetermined number of days, and for me, the need for P5 has significantly deminished (I don't think that is spelled correctly). By all means, I encourage more people to buy P5, as it appears (at east feature-wise) to be a solid upgrade to P4 (plus all of you can act as beta testers for the rest of us, heh). At this point, it looks like I will most likely be catching up on the v1.1 or v1.2 releases. - Ray