Whbos: Yeah, but you get to miss out on the "Christmas" effect - exploring the new product ASAP! Yeah, it is a shame that CL does not have their online store and shipping act together. This is common with small development/self-publishing development houses. My big concern is that CL is trying to make the step, at least in the mind share of the larger 3D community, with the features of Poser 5. My concern is the bugs and issues that are being turned up by the common users. It makes me wonder what in the hell the beta testers were doing during development. I know they got some of the best and brightest from the community, whose quality of work cannot be questioned. But their apparent use of the software can be. I must admit I do not look forward to the reviews in the graphic publications. I am sure they will be complimentary regarding the features, but will be sure to crucify for the programming errors. My God, it is version 5! - Ray