Nope, had Bryce 4. Never could wrap my brain around it's materials, Gave it away. wgreenlee1, Yup, we've been waiting years and it seem we are still waiting in some respects. The Dynamic Hair is really cool, wish the render was written by the same guy ;-) Fortunately the "P4" Render can handle most of the material tricks P5 does and it is just as fast as P4.