render time was about 3 minutes....amd xp1800+ 1.53mhz I'm actually pretty impressed so far ith render times...The hair takes most of the time...it just flies over the rest....must be all those strands... That hair I did just real fast...couple of minutes...simple dos are easy..but to style, I think that will be more of a challenge...but I like the idea of long hair for the men...really didn't have much in P4....

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