Niles I presume you are talking about Shonner and not me :) Because I am vocal about my disagreement with some of CL's latest 'advancments' in Poser 5 - but I am a Poser 4 and Pro Pack user... And I have been kinda 'harsh' resently in regards to asking people to attempt to do new stuff with their work instead of keeping to a true and tried "formula"... And I'm sorry Turtle yours is one of those I believe needs to move forward and try new things with your art... but that is my opinion - and certainly not something I would expect someone to take offense at. It is my opinion of a lot of artist recently that people are getting comfy with just posing a bought model, a couple or three objects, and that is your picture. And boy I know people don't like the fact I am thinking that way - but I'm sorry there is more to art (IMHO) then dressing up a doll... Now if I (or anyone) is wrong for saying that, then I would be guilty - but I'm sure as hell not going to start telling people I love their work especially when I believe that the people who have talent on here are wasting their talent by not exploring their talent and trying to reach new heights, (which is one of the reasons I have not been posting - because I am exploring myself and my art a lot more.. and don't wish to flood the list with millions of really shitty stuff :P) I don't know Shonner - nor know his work, though the only one in his gallery is ... well not there - so kinda not good. However, personally as long as people don't get personal then honest constructive information about ones feelings is the least we can ask for in this community. If Shonner gives contructive help - then I don't see as it being bad ... if not... nuke him :)