I agree, I'm getting really fed up with seeing a certain name pop up all over the poser forum, this name has been in the Lightwave forum for months trashing poser even though it owns a copy of poser & happily uses it all the time. It's not SHONNER, try looking for the "Poser Cloner", that's his description for us poser users & nothing that came from his typing fingers so far has been constructive. Rob