I also am one who will not be moving to P5 - I will be continuing to work with Poser 4, Pro Pack and 3dMax with a lot of post work - and someday I will finally put money into saving my wrist and using a Tablet instead of the mouse. Since most of my art work is now more comic style and Anime Style Poser 5 will not really offer me anything more that my present system offers. As Netherworks says, Poser 4 is a cog in a overall 'machine' - Poser 5 isn't going to be any better cog or remove the whole machine in my case... (just I wish I could find a really nice Hair plugin for 3dMax which is free :P) WiNC