wdupre :) Thanks :) Honestly I hope Poser 5 is great for you - I have to admit there is a number of things I would love to play with, and would certainly find it a interesting addition to my graphic machine - however because of the copy protection I won't buy it :) I do hope CL finally see the negative reaction and change their security features - but I see I'm going to become a old woman with this one thing to tell my grandchildren, "innnn my day, we had to fight aggginst the oppressive busineesss that cough cough cough um.. what was I saying again?" :) I'm really not a evil person - I just like being nasty to companies who I feel are getting too big for their shoes... You should see the love mail I said Microsoft :) giggle WiNC