orion: I'm not going to argue here. I'm not saying there are no bugs, of course there are. I'm also not saying people aren't allowed to be disappointed. What I am saying is that you can either choose to be disappointed, or choose to learn about the software from those of us who have been using it, and maybe avoid some of the frustrations. I'm saying people shouldn't be too hasty to determine that "Poser 5 sucks." It reflects badly on the user, the software, and the community. Poser 5 exists to create better work. It cannot and will not be either perfect or easy. It's not like a video game that you can play right out of the box. Take some time to experiment and ask questions with an open mind, and you might find out that there is a simple reason for your frustration, and it might ease the tension you feel. It's everyone's choice how they approach the obstacles ahead when they first boot the program. People can be positive in their approach and say, "This is going to be hard, and there are going to be road bumps, but there's a whole community to help me" or they can be negative and say, "I expect perfection, and anything less is a pile of crap." I've seen too much of the latter and not enough of the former in the last two days to stay quiet. I will personally respond to any IM or e-mail with questions regarding the use of the software. I may not be the most qualified, since I've only had a small amount more time with it than you folks have ( and my copy was a Candidate version, not the release version ), but I will do my level best to answer any sincere requests for help. I would also encourage any other beta testers to make the same offer to help, assuming Curious Labs is willing to support you in letting others know that you were involved during the beta process. I had it to write a magazine article and review, and some other info, so I may be a special case since my involvement is public record. I'm sure that a quick note from testers to either Tori Porter, Steve Cooper, or Karen Cooper will let you know if its ok. Truly, Paul